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Here are some questions:

What are the positive points to the 700 verses a smaller Kodiak?

Should my new ATV be a Yamaha?

Should I get an 18 rather than a 19, there seem to be a bunch of 18s around.

Anyone want to offer some of your own perspective, that would be great.
 

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A 2018 is a great machine, and that setup was made for three years.

A 2019 is new therefore unproven to some extent.

May be great, may not be especially in a first year scenario.


Big or small you can't go wrong with Yamaha.

The 700 works great on trails and doesn't feel too big, oh yea and has plenty of power.


When I looked into a new quad it was about getting the most reliable brand and model I could find.
Quad transmissions were a big concern being belt drive, but Yamaha's belt doesn't slip like other brands so it reacts quicker and lasts much longer.


Having electric power steering is just wonderful.


I've used the diff lock every opportunity I need it.

That little feature turns the thing into a mountain goat!
 

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A 2018 is a great machine, and that setup was made for three years.

A 2019 is new therefore unproven to some extent.

May be great, may not be especially in a first year scenario.


Big or small you can't go wrong with Yamaha.

The 700 works great on trails and doesn't feel too big, oh yea and has plenty of power.


When I looked into a new quad it was about getting the most reliable brand and model I could find.
Quad transmissions were a big concern being belt drive, but Yamaha's belt doesn't slip like other brands so it reacts quicker and lasts much longer.


Having electric power steering is just wonderful.


I've used the diff lock every opportunity I need it.

That little feature turns the thing into a mountain goat!
Well said!
 
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So I have a new question! Should I buy an extended warranty? It only comes with a 6 month, they can't be too confident if they cant stand behind it for a while. I know this is not new, but I am not a gambler. If I do buy the extra warranty, is the price negotiable or not?
 

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I think you can do it for various lengths of time. If it's piece of mind your looking for then get the minimum. I think you can always extend it longer as long as it's still under warranty. I think🤔
 

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Thanks. I am being told that the extended warranty is selling for about 1/2 price at this time as a sales promo.
 

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I don't really know much about the new 19 year model, but when I was looking for a new machine in 16 a couple of service techs in the shops that sold different brands told me in a hushed voice to go with yamaha. I guess they didn't want listening ears to hear them dis some other brand. Both told me the yamaha wouldn't go through drive belts and also that the metals used in the yamahas were harder even down to the bolts. I don't use my 700 a lot but haven't had a single issue with it, but other than the air filter conversion mine is still the same as when I bought it new. I have a friend that owns an older carburated polaris and he swears by his machine, so I guess it just comes down to what you think will work for you. I went with the Kodiak because it fit me better for seating position and my old wore out back needs all the relief I can give it. I sat on every machine I could think of except Can AM and the Kodiak was the most comfortable with the honda being absolutely horrible for me, plus the honda has a manual transmission.
 

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I went with the Kodiak 700 as well. Fit my wife better and she says the Kodiak didn't feel like a big blocky machine when she sat on it.. Handles well and has plenty of power...
 

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Here are some questions:

What are the positive points to the 700 verses a smaller Kodiak? Honestly . . . for most folks I suspect a 400-500 cc machine is fine for most uses, especially if someone is using it for light work or trail riding. I went from a Honda Foreman450 (although the actual engine was something like 420cc) and it did most everything I needed perfectly fine (i.e. haul firewood, plow the driveway, trail ride, etc.), but to be frank I wanted just a little more power and speed (not that I often use it . . . but being a typical guy one always wants "moar pow-ah".

Should my new ATV be a Yamaha? It' really up to you. I'm probably the wrong guy to ask since I'm 48 and have only owned three ATVs -- a Honda TRX300, the aforementioned Foreman 450S and now the Kodiak 700. I find that most ATVs have stepped up things pretty well in terms of reliability and features, but there are still some differences and it's all on what you most value. For example, Hondas have always been and will most likely always will be near bullet proof when it comes to reliability . . . the trade off being they're expensive, they don't tend to have a lot of big power machines (well one . . . and that one is geared more for trail riding) and they either don't have as many features as other makes and models or you can get those features at a premium price. I find Polaris ATVs to be a bargain in terms of price when coupled with features and their ride is highly regarded . . . but I also see more folks have break downs with Polaris ATVs. I could go on . . . but I think you get the idea. I went with Yamaha since they had exactly what I wanted -- a larger engine ATV with the features I wanted (IRS, power steering, automatic), an ATV geared expressly for work and play (I use my ATV for work as much as I do for play) and at a price that was quite attractive . . . AND most folks (users and experts) rate Yamahas highly when it comes to reliability.

Should I get an 18 rather than a 19, there seem to be a bunch of 18s around. If you're in no rush and not picky you may be able to get a hold over at a good deal. I waited for a bit, priced what I wanted at the various dealerships in the State and was able to get a new hold-over at a good price (the bonus being it was in a color I liked and came with alloy wheels). The drawback was it was an older model and at the time it meant it did not come with the push button locking differential . . . which to me was not something I have needed in the past . . . others find a locking diff to be essential . . . it comes down to what you want and/or need.

Anyone want to offer some of your own perspective, that would be great.

Waiting may also net you a better warranty . . . mine came with a two year warranty which I could extend an additional year if I opted to not go with the winch.
 

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I just picked up a 2018 700 eps se 2 days ago. great deals on remaining 2018 bikes. my dealer only had 3 2018 700 Kodiaks left, one eps in camo and 2 eps se in tactical black.

the 2019 is going back to the 686 sohc engine built by Yamaha. I wouldn't call it unproven, its just a refined version of their old 686 that they used before contracting Subaru to build the 708cc while their manufacturing plant was being rebuilt after the 2011 tsunami that damaged a large part of it and slowed production almost to a halt.

you wont go wrong with a 450 or 700, both are great and dependable.
i just came from a 2002 450 honda, the only other really dependable brand, and this 700 is insanely more powerful.
The Yamaha rides so smooth, acceleration is fast and smooth. the oil bathed brakes are so nice, just knowing that no matter what slop i drive throug, i'll still have rear brakes. i didnt have that with drums on the old honda...tranny was the brakes most of the time on that.
 

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I just picked up a 2018 700 eps se 2 days ago. great deals on remaining 2018 bikes. my dealer only had 3 2018 700 Kodiaks left, one eps in camo and 2 eps se in tactical black.

the 2019 is going back to the 686 sohc engine built by Yamaha. I wouldn't call it unproven, its just a refined version of their old 686 that they used before contracting Subaru to build the 708cc while their manufacturing plant was being rebuilt after the 2011 tsunami that damaged a large part of it and slowed production almost to a halt.

you wont go wrong with a 450 or 700, both are great and dependable.
i just came from a 2002 450 honda, the only other really dependable brand, and this 700 is insanely more powerful.
The Yamaha rides so smooth, acceleration is fast and smooth. the oil bathed brakes are so nice, just knowing that no matter what slop i drive throug, i'll still have rear brakes. i didnt have that with drums on the old honda...tranny was the brakes most of the time on that.

Sounds like you and I pretty much have similar stories . . . I think my old Foreman 450S was also a 2002 and yes . . . it's really, really nice to have brakes vs. with the Honda where you would adjust them and two weeks later you were back to downshifting to slow down.
 

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Wow, lots of great info here. Thanks for every ones input, I am at ease with the new 18, and I am finding they are getting harder to find. I have not found a great price, but going to buy soon I think. And it will be a 700 EPS, and I think I will go with the extended warranty, that I am told is being factory discounted for a while.
 

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Wow, lots of great info here. Thanks for every ones input, I am at ease with the new 18, and I am finding they are getting harder to find. I have not found a great price, but going to buy soon I think. And it will be a 700 EPS, and I think I will go with the extended warranty, that I am told is being factory discounted for a while.


not sure where you live, but here in the great white north, my dealer has a $500 rebate, 300 for being a costco member, plus you get a free $250 warn winch, and dirt cheap financing rate.
 

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Sorry for asking some questions that have been answered in some cases, but I am trying to nail down the reasons that Yamaha is going back to the same engine, or very close to the old one, verses staying with the 708. I know what has been said, but after reading all of the reasons stated, I think there is more to it.

Those of you that are following my other post will know that I have a low hours 16 Kodiak 700, that had the recall on the compression spring, and it was in for poor starting issues and running issues, and kills when started in cool weather. I am wondering if I should wait to see if the 19 works out well for the few that have one.

I had a dealer tell me officially that the killing on startup when cold, is a problem they cant solve, at a reasonable cost and have given up on it.
 

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Sorry for asking some questions that have been answered in some cases, but I am trying to nail down the reasons that Yamaha is going back to the same engine, or very close to the old one, verses staying with the 708. I know what has been said, but after reading all of the reasons stated, I think there is more to it.

Those of you that are following my other post will know that I have a low hours 16 Kodiak 700, that had the recall on the compression spring, and it was in for poor starting issues and running issues, and kills when started in cool weather. I am wondering if I should wait to see if the 19 works out well for the few that have one.

I had a dealer tell me officially that the killing on startup when cold, is a problem they cant solve, at a reasonable cost and have given up on it.
I've read and heard much on the subject. Though I've never heard of cold start blow ups...Only Yamaha Corp knows the true reasons. But I bet you bottom line cost had everything to do with it.
 

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No it does not blow up on start up, it kills on cold temp start up, and has to be restarted. They say that they will not offer a fix for it, just hit the starter and it should go. Any owner will have to live with it.

Sorry for the miss understanding.
 

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No it does not blow up on start up, it kills on cold temp start up, and has to be restarted. They say that they will not offer a fix for it, just hit the starter and it should go. Any owner will have to live with it.

Sorry for the miss understanding.
Actually even my 2009 Grizzly does that. It's been a commun issue with many fuel injection Grizzlys for years. Never bothered me though, always starts back up and runs great.
 

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i asked my dealer about the reason they went back to the yamaha 686 sohc from the subaru 708 dohc. he said they were told by yamaha that the manufacturing plant was heavily damaged during the 2011 tsunami, cutting engine production almost to a halt, and using up prebuilt inventory fast, So they needed someone that could build a same or similar engine while the factory was being rebuilt. Enter Subaru on a short term contract.
 

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Good information on the reason they switched from the 708 back to the 686. Makes a lot of sense from a financial and warranty perspective for Yamaha to go back to their in-house design. The more control they have on each individual part of the machine (including the dealerships and the financing), the better it is for them. Profit on each step of the way.
 

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The weather is pretty chilly here, and mine always starts and immediately dies. Hit the button the second time and it starts and stays running.
I thought it was because my PCV hasn't been dyno tuned yet.
I'll call James with JBS Performance and see if he's had any experience eliminating the issue.
 
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